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{TcF}=RC-54={MS}(65th)
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I feel it is my right to know the reason behind my demotion. Have I not earned this? I want everyone to answer this, how long have I been a TcF member? You're right if you guessed nearly 2 years, that's nearly 730 days,  nearly 17,520 hours of dedication to TcF. I see no reason why I should have been demoted, I feel as if I have more than earned that promotion, does it really make a difference to you if I am promoted up by one rank? A rank means something to me, it's a sense of pride and self worth, being demoted makes me feel as if I am unappreciated and that my service and dedication means nothing to any of you. 


When I first joined TcF, I had thoughts of becoming an officer and being a good leader, but I soon realized that reaching even the lowest of the ranks classified as officer would be a very long and painful task. Not being promoted makes me feel as if nobody appreciates me as a member, as if nobody respects me as a member, sure, I've been promoted before, twice in my nearly 2 years of service. 


Penguin told me that if I recruited somebody, he would promote me, that's a good incentive if you ask me. What does this whole experience tell me? It tells me that you don't appreciate anything I have done. I was the only one trying to make conversation with the people joining the recruiting server, I was trying to make conversation even before I heard of this promotion, why you might ask? Because I care about the clan, and by recruiting a member, I am making our clan stronger and adding new life to our old clan. But then I feel as if I get kicked in the face for trying to help our clan, that honestly makes me want to just stop doing anything for the clan.


If you want to kick me out, go ahead,  you can't do anything more to me, you have already disrespected me and spit on my self pride by passing me over for promotions and then demoting me once I FINALLY get promoted. This matter has been on my mind for months now, I have remained mostly silent about it because I didn't feel the need to speak up, but this is where I draw the line on being silent!


The post mentioning my promotion and the new recruit was deleted, that says that you don't want anyone seeing it, that's a bit odd to me..


-RC-54 

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November 24, 2013 at 3:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

{TcF}=RC-54={MS}(65th)
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is deleted and I am removed from the page without one word, if that's your plan, so be it.

November 24, 2013 at 3:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Rickcastle45
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Technically there is no demotion because there was never a promotion. It was a blatant disrespect and abuse of the power that comes with the rank of General. Allow me to explain:

 

First off, I'd like to apologise for your sudden change in rank. It was unwarranted, unprovoked and unjustified. For that reason, you are back at Sergeant. Promotions have been lacking as of late due to, well, frankly, GameSpy’s shutdown of the online servers. With very little time and chance to show your prowess in SWBF community interactions, promotions have been difficult to hand out due to the lack of requirements.

 

One of the first issues that arose when the servers were closed down was “How are we going to play?!” shortly followed with “How are we going to promote..?!?”. And so the Generals, at the time, Penguin and I, spoke at length on how to proceed, and settled on promotions being delivered on the outcomes of Clan Battles. Unfortunately, most of our attempts for Clan Battles since then have been found wanting. With Alpha, the clan collapsed on itself (for the time) and with {FA}, who are now {SFA}, we could not find a time that worked for both clans, just to name a few.

 

Clan Battles were not the only way we were going to promote – we had spoken of meaningful contributions of one member to all others, as an example, however; these were clearly all ignored by the 11th AirBourne’s General, after the fact that he had agreed and even proposed some of these changes. So, when I heard of this deal, this bet, if you will, of giving out a promotion upon a recruitment of another possible {TcF} candidate, which was debated and rejected in our discussions, I was not amused.

 

Going behind the back of another General after an agreement has been reached is simply irresponsible, unjust and careless. This clan is supposedly a democracy, but how is it possibly that when one person places themselves above the rest, acts on whims and does as they please? That’s not a democracy, it is a dictatorship. It’s just sad that I’ve had to put my foot down, to keep some form of honor, on this kind of an occasion: when you all deserve a promotion, but have nothing to show for it.

 

I took action, quickly, and swiftly: Part III, Section II of our Constitution which deals with Demotion and Promotions, states “After the rank of (SL) you can promote up to two ranks below your current rank. (Unless objections are made by the commanding council or a general.)” I had to object.

 

Now, I did not delete the previous post (the only other member with administrative power is Penguin); I had only removed private information concerning our latest Recruit, who has yet to show any form of activity on the site, to keep his personal information exactly that, private. If your want or desire for a promotion is so great, then do something that will help us all. Go above and beyond for the good of the clan, not just one person. Acquiring a recruit is one good step in the right direction, but is hardly a leap (another thing Penguin and I had spoken about). The blame is not yours R5, but if a return to democracy is too much for you, enough to push you to leave, then that just saddens me. Bonds of friendship and brotherhood unite us, and they are always tested – but when it comes to matters of the clan, they cannot be settled on personal matters. Which is why Penguin’s promotion has been revoked by myself.

 

I want you all to grow, but I want it in a healthy and sane environment. One that works for all, and this means compromises, but most of them on the part of your leaders which are Penguin, and me, for a short while longer, as you’ve noticed, I am not going for re-election; mostly because I’m tired of always having to stop Penguin from doing things behind the scenes. It’s tiring and frustrating that I must always play the Bad-Cop because the “Good-Cop” doesn’t stop and think.

 

I wanted you to understand, and would have preferred to have spoken with you about this one-on-one, but there we have it. So, come back down to earth, erase this figurative line, and start seeing this as a joint leadership, because I do not want to give Billy the mess I’ve had to try to clean up.

November 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Karts
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Why do you have ranks when there is all of four people in your clan?  Also, it's not really democracy.  You have it set up so two people can make decisions, and two people cannot, except when it's something that doesn't affect anything, such as ranks or movie night.  Then you have everyone vote.  And no, ranks really affect nothing. They affect nothing because you assign no value to them, and there are too few people to matter even if you did.  Also, RC, your clan appreciates you; it's merely disorganized. Sorry to interfere with y'alls clan business.

November 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

{TcF}-Penguin-{G}(11th)
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Krats for general 2013

And Rick you're wrong.

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November 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Rickcastle45
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Two people don't make decisions because one person does whatever they want. the system is flawed to the point of disfunctionality.

 

Ranks have value. The problem is that their value is not seen or respected because this is place is a Hellish Free For All.

 

Wrong how exactly?

November 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

{TcF}-Penguin-{G}(11th)
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I explained but Fire fox crashed so I just wrote that. But any way the main point is you don't believe RC deserves a promotion because he hasn't participated in one clan battle recently. I Think you're wrong because RC's gone like 1 and a half years without a promotion has stuck with tcf since the game spy crashed, shows up at meetings and helped recruit a new person to tcf, appearently you think the only thing that demands a promotion is participation in one clan battle. Also I never signed a contract saying that  the only time I'd ever promote some one was following a clan battle. for the past 3 and a half years I have been promoting people independently, just as you have the ability too. But this promotion you suddenly decided that we had to make the decisions together and accused me of doing things in secret? Appearently we're rewarding people based on skill now(Not even that really because Rc's gotten a lot better) instead of loyalty? You sort of freaked out about a system of doing things we've had for like 3 years in this clan.

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November 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Rickcastle45
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Oh, sorry about your browser shutting on you - that can be a pain. Participationa nd an evaluation in teh aftermatch of a Clan battle was one of the ways we had discussed on how to give out promotions, which you know, and which I reminded you of in my first post on this forum.


Who said anything about signing a contract? Certainly not I. If anything, we should have proposed an amendment in the Constituion, maybe that would have avoided this whole mess. It is not my fault that your memory is faulty.


It's a balence of skill and loyalty but loyalty to the clan not to you. If R5 has gone a year and a half without a promotion it's because of the difficult times due to the GameSpy shut down and, frankly, what has he accomplished? Is it a milestone that after 2 years in the clan you get promoted?  Or are you simply going to promote him at will from Sergeant to General like you tried to do with Moya - oh wait, Moya was PFC at the time.

November 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

{TcF}-Penguin-{G}(11th)
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What has he accomplished: He's proven loyalty and dedication by attending clan meetings and being active for a year and a haf, he's improved his fighting skills, and he's proved his administration skills by recruiting a new member. Yet none of that proves anything? You're rediculious, you're clinging to a nice little idea of promotions after clan battles that just really isn't practical in the moment's situation. Bringing up Moya is silly because firstly I never have ever tried to promote any one to general? Secondly Moya became inactive after you refused to promote him showing the failure of being stingy with promotions.

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November 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

{TcF}-Penguin-{G}(11th)
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Sorry for promoting you RC, let's do this!!!

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November 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Rickcastle45
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I'm sorry for allowing my frustration with R5's promotion to push my anger with the lack of respect shown to the set system overboard. The final drop to make the cup overflow, so to speak.

Let's do this!!!

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November 24, 2013 at 3:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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